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involves risk. Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm Lucy Dunn and today I'm joined

by James Heel and Gabriel Pogrand, Whitehall editor at Sunday Times. It's been a pretty chaotic

start to Kier-Sarmers Phase 2 of Government, with his deputy resigning over her tax affairs and now Peter Mandelson sat in his role as UK ambassador to the US over his links to American pedophile, Geoffrey Epstein. Starmer and his team aren't quite yet in the clear over this, however, with speculation that his chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, could be in the firing line after it emerged that he was one of the proponents of Mandelson's appointment in the first

place. Gabriel, can you tell us a bit more about what the relationship between Peter

Mandelson and Morgan McSweeney was like? Yes, well, it's one of the essential relationships

of this political project, and it long predates Mandelson's

appointment to the ambassadorship.

In Mandelson was one of those fanfare of people who, during the Corbyn years, was equal,

one in his Blairism and two in his determination to redeem the party and dragoon it back

towards the centre.

You know, there are lots of people in those days who thought that Labour was a spent force.

Madelson didn't, and he spent much of the period on the phone to disgruntled and demoralised Labour MPs

and to donors and to former MPs trying to convene and co-eneless and create some sort of solution

that would lead to Corbyn's departure. And in that period, he became known to McSweeney.

They first met, I think, when Mitsui was a photocopying assistant at Labor HQ in the late 19.

Patrick McGuire and I wrote a book about Starmer in which we

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