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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm James Hill. I'm joined today by a political editor Tim Shipman and the Conservative MP, Neil O'Brien, who put down an urgent question in the House

of Commons today about Peter Mandelson sacking. And unfortunately, it just came as the government was announcing he was being sacked. So, Neil, just take us through that hour-long debate in the Commons and your reflections on that. Yes, it's one of these strange moments in the Commons where you are sat there at the end of transport questions, waiting to start your urgent question. And for some reason, transport questions, see if you're getting longer and longer, and the speaker's normally quite a sedulous about making you run to time, seems to be letting people really ramble on. And then there is a point of order on something particularly obscure, which sounds like it is spinning out of the clock. And then your colleagues come and tell you that the minister is frantically rewriting his speech in the reasons room, which is a room right next to the chamber and you think, this guy is going. He had his reasons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's reasons why he has gone. And by the way, it's a splendid room in Parliament. It's full of these wonderfully named places, you know, Black Rod's Garden, the Reasons room, the chest room, smoking room, all his sort of slightly Harry Potter locations.

Anyway, it sort of dawned on us that he was obviously going, and so I was also rewriting what I was going to say. And the government's line now is, oh, we knew a whole bunch of things about

Mandelson, including all the stuff with Epstein, but this one new extra thing that's come to

light in the last

12 hours about him effectively campaigning to get a convicted paedophile who had pleaded guilty

released early. That's the straw that broke the camel back. That's new information to us. We didn't

know about it. And that one thing has tipped us over the edge and that's why he's got to go. Now, look,

A, you knew enough about

Mandelson before that revelation that it was absolutely absurd to have put him in there and that

this moment and this day was inevitable. And B, we are now going to use Parliament to get to

see the vetting files because the government is not saying that they will publish the files about the Epstein-Mandelson vetting. And we need to know exactly what they knew because it's embarrassing either way, right? So if they didn't know a bunch of things that they really should have known, because some of the stuff was in the papers, then why didn't they know it? And it points to a glaring whole of their processes.

And if they did know and they still went ahead anyway,

it points to massive problems about his judgment.

And the truth is, it's probably a bit of both. But we need to see Parliament deserves to see this stuff, right? It's been a total shambles. Every single Labour MP you talk to in the sea room, it just looks like they're about to throw up.

And, you know, they are now going to have to vote and decide,

am I going to vote to block the release of the Mandelson-Ebstein files, or am I going to do the right thing and tell my whip that I'm not going to vote for it, and we need to just get this all out there and just move on now. And, Neil, for our listeners, just explain this sort of timetable on that. How soon can that vote be called? We are looking at that at the moment. There's different mechanisms that is a live discussion right now.

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