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🗓️ 24 June 2025
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0:00.0 | This message is brought to you by the Cautionary Tales podcast. Cautionary Tales tells the fiasco that was the Jaws production, from a broken shark to a crew that threatened mutiny. Listen to Cautionary Tales wherever you get your podcasts. |
0:14.6 | This is fresh air. I'm Dave Davies. After a year and a half of dramatic and often heartbreaking news from the Middle East, |
0:23.2 | events of the past four days have been truly head-spinning. Over the weekend, President Donald Trump |
0:28.8 | joined Israel's air campaign against Iran, dropping massive bunker busting bombs and other heavy |
0:34.8 | munitions on three Iranian nuclear sites. Iran responded with what |
0:39.3 | appeared to be a symbolic military gesture, a missile attack on an American base in Qatar, which it warned was coming and caused no injuries. |
0:48.3 | Trump called it very weak and said he does not intend to retaliate. As we record today's show Tuesday morning, a ceasefire between Israel and Iran has been marred by |
0:58.9 | alleged violations on both sides, while Trump warns the two adversaries to hold their fire. |
1:05.4 | Our guest today, veteran Iran expert Karim Sadadpur, has called Trump's bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities a once-in-a-generation |
1:13.3 | event that could transform the Middle East. While the impact of the conflict may not be clear for years, |
1:19.7 | Sajadpur says, the attacks by the U.S. and Israel do raise a more immediate question. Will they |
1:25.8 | strengthen the authoritarian regime in Tehran or hasten |
1:29.3 | its demise? We've asked Sajitpur to join us today to help us understand the nature of the |
1:34.8 | Iranian regime and explore some of the many questions raised by recent events. Karim Sajitpour |
1:41.0 | is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, |
1:45.1 | a contributing writer for the Atlantic and an adjunct professor at Georgetown University School |
1:49.9 | of Foreign Service. He was previously an analyst for the International Crisis Group, |
1:55.1 | based in Tehran and Washington. He grew up in the United States, but is the son of Iranian parents. |
2:01.2 | We recorded our interview this morning. |
2:04.1 | Well, Karim Sajatpur, welcome back to fresh air. |
2:06.6 | It has been a very busy, dizzying series of events. |
2:11.6 | And I wonder if you might begin by just sharing what you may be hearing from friends and contacts in Iran |
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