I think that at this point, if you ask a random child somewhere around the States or somewhere in Europe or somewhere around the world, what's Chatukitin? They'll tell you, well, what's the AI used to do my homework? But if you ask them, okay, well, what AI to use when you're not doing your homework? The answer is, well, I don't know. What is an AI when I'm not doing my homework? That's a trillion dollar question

that is going to be answered over the next year. Someone's going to answer that. And if that

answer is the cart, then the cart is a trillion dollar company.

Hi, I'm Catherine Schwab, an assistant managing editor here at Forbes covering technology. And I'm

really excited to be here today with Dean

Leadersdorf. He is the co-founder and CEO of Descartes, which is building AI models that generate

digital worlds. Dean, welcome. Thanks for joining me.

Hey, Catherine, thanks for having me over. It's going to be, hopefully it will be a very fun ride.

Yes, I can already tell.

So let's just start with high level.

What does it mean to be building an AI model that can generate digital worlds?

What are you building at Descartes?

AIS completely changed our lives over the past three years.

It started with chatbots, just completely taking over what it means to know stuff or to ask questions.

And, you know, over the past year, we've all seen AI video just completely take over all our feeds.

Our TikTok, Instagram feeds are just covered in AI generated cats.

Now, what we're really trying to build is what's a completely new experience

that allows people to be creative using AI video and AI audio that just lets us feel something

different than continuously scrolling on the platforms that we know.

Just like chatbots completely changed what it means to find information online or to create

information. And they didn't just make better search. They made a completely new experience.

What is that new thing that will make us feel different when we're not doing our homework,

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