Bankless Nation, we are here with Jasmine Sun. She writes about AI, technology, and politics.

She is a contributing writer at The Atlantic and recently has a New York Times opinion piece on AI and the permanent underclass of phrase we are all too familiar with here in the world of crypto.

She's also the AI of the AI populism series on her sub-sac, jasmine.

Welcome to Bankless.

Thanks so much for having me.

Jasmine, you put together a definition for AI populism.

You wrote it a worldview in which AI is viewed not only as a normal technology, but as an elite political project to be resisted.

This is really what we want to explore here with you today on the show.

Kind of want to ask the question, and maybe we can start with this.

How big is AI populism as a political issue domestically here in the United States?

And we kind of want to get to do we think AI populism will be a relevant

issue in the 2028 election. So maybe we can start with that first question. Just how big do you think

AI populism is in the world of politics? Yeah, thanks for asking. Yeah, I've been thinking about

AI populism a lot over the last few months. I think noticing this mass movement that is sort of growing around the AI backlash

and in particular noticing how very different interest groups and very different factions,

different sides of the aisle, are coming together to protest AI. And so, you know, when I'm in

Washington, D.C., I'll notice that there are family first conservatives sitting with antitrust

people, sitting with environmentalists, people who would never be working side by side, but who have united in order to push for

AI regulation. And that was sort of what really got me thinking about AI populism. In terms of how

big of a force it is in the U.S. right now, I would say that it's not a primary force in American

politics yet, but it is rising extremely quickly.

And so one of the best research polling that's been done on this topic is from David Shores, Blue Rose research.

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