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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the spectators' daily politics podcast.

I'm Isabel Hardman and I'm joined by James Forsyth and James Johnson.

We're going to talk about tactical voting today in the wake of the Wakefield

and Tibetan Honiton by elections. That was quite a strong factor in the fact that the conservative

lost both seats. James Forsyth, first, just tell us how seriously that's being taken at the

centre of the Conservative Party. I think the tibetan result is really worrying for the Tories.

Not only have they lost one of the safest Tories seats in England,

but you've also seen a situation where the Labour Party that was second in 2017 and 2019,

the last general action to that seat, lost its deposit. It hasn't lost its deposit in tibetan

because voters in that part of Devon are particularly un- persuaded by Keir Starmer or anything

like that. It's because voters look to see who was best placed to defeat the Tories,

saw that was the Lib Dems in that seat and so turned to them. The worry for the Tories

is it suggests that British politics is split into two blocks, Tory and Antitoury.

And in crude terms, the Antitoury vote had dropped about 60% in the opinion policy,

put together a Labour that had Dems in the Greens. And if you get into a situation like you saw in

1997, when that Antitoury vote is prepared to vote in each constituency for whoever is most

slightly to unseat the Tories, then that will be absolutely devastating for the Tories at the next

election. James Johnson, just tell us a little bit more about this Antitoury vote. What's driving

it? Is it the Conservative Party? Is it certain policies of the Conservative Party or is it Boris Johnson?

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