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We are your host, Northern Guy.

I'm Southern Girl.

And we are back with an exciting episode.

We actually have people in the studio this time. They're the only people that I've ever came. Oh, wait, Diana came one time. And it's our second time. Yeah, this is our second time in the studio. Yeah. And yeah, you're only the, you're the third people to come here and you've come here twice. Yeah. Good for you. We got Scott and April from Naughty Jim here, and they're here to talk about their new book called Wild Love Theory. That's getting ready to come out in, what did you say, July? It's going to be a soft release in July, we think, and the full release. The book's done, but it's going to come out officially on Amazon, probably in September. So we're going to talk about your book. We're going to get in a little in depth on that. But then we also, you guys are here to tease a little, you're involved in the purchase of possibly a lifestyle resort in Florida. This is still in the work, so we can't say too much, but we're going to tease it a little bit, right? We're going to talk about it a little bit because there might be some opportunities for people that are looking to get involved with something like that where they can get involved. It's happening, and we have to be careful not to make the people to SEC mad because we say stuff we're not supposed to. Okay. So we're going to dance around that, but put out the information we need to put out about that. So stay tuned to the end because that's when we're going to talk about that. But I think we want to start with this book. So tell us wild love theory. What does that

even mean? So we, it really, the book sort of was born through our relationship. We realize that like a lot of us that have explored non-monogamy,

you start out with this huge list of rules, right?

And usually that set of rules shrinks over time.

That's a pattern you see across most relationships.

And it seemed to us to be more indicative of a real underlying structural

issue that had never been addressed. And we felt like maybe it should continue that way.

Maybe throughout the course of your relationship, those rules should continue to drop because

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