We are speaking with Vinck Gizmann, a serial entrepreneur and creator of the Things Network,

which was successfully crowdsourced and kick-started to the tune of 300,000 euros.

Welcome and thank you for joining us.

Let's start with discussing net neutrality and what the internet is supposed to look like

and how it should function.

In essence, as it has been functioning thus far in history, no corporation, telecom, or government

should have the ability to disrupt any user or citizens' access to the internet, nor their ability to exercise their free speech via the internet.

Could you tell us what you think the internet should look like?

Yeah, so the internet should look like a open platform

where anybody can contribute to a global network infrastructure

and also be able to utilize it in a way.

The strength of the Internet is that we're all connected.

We decided to outsource some centralized tasks to either governments,

government organizations, or now mostly privatized telcos.

And what you now see happening is that these centralized forces we've put into place to have

an efficient operation, now also exercise all kinds of other forces to optimize their own

gain.

And from a system sphere, you see that you created a system that has a, had a certain

objective, and now, all of a sudden, this system is a shifting objective and actually having an

objective to optimize itself instead of optimize why we created the internet. So there's a very

abstract talk about the internet.

One of the mechanisms to make sure that the internet stays open

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