Hello and welcome back to Drilled I'm Amy Westrow out.

This week I was at Harvard University with the great Naomi Arresquez and a whole cast of

other really fascinating researchers who are all looking at this question of climate

accountability and not just for the fossil fuel industry but really how do we widen the

lens of accountability?

How do we look at the industries that have enabled the fossil fuel industry to greenwash,

for example, where is the responsibility of the PR and advertising industries of that?

Also what are the other industries that have worked in lockstep with the fossil fuel industry

to obstruct climate policy?

So the automotive industry, manufacturing industry, the airline industry, the list goes on

and on.

In this episode I'm going to bring you some of the conversations from that event starting

with an interview with Naomi Arresquez about her work in general and also the work that

has fed into her new book coming out in February.

It's called The Big Miss and it looks at where this idea that Americans should stop relying

on or even trusting the government and instead rely on big business and the so-called free

market came from.

Where did this ideology come from and who does it benefit?

It's a fascinating read.

It's not out yet.

I got an early copy and it's really, really, really good.

So we got Naomi talking about some of the themes that come up in that book and some of the

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