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During all of this I called one of my police sources and I was like what's going on here and he said Nate picture the craziest story you've ever covered times a hundred and that's all I can say he couldn't tell me more and I think he proved to be right.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked on Exactly Right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show. I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom and they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories with

details that have never been published. Tenfold More Wicked presents wicked

words is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories, behind the stories.

This is a special edition of Wicked Words

because we

recorded this in a large hall so you might hear some unrelated audience noise in the background.

journalist Nate Eaton moved audience noise in the background.

Journalist Nate Eaton moved to Idaho from Virginia to relax with his family. Little did he know that he would be drawn into one of the biggest true crime cases in decades,

the investigation into Lori Valo Day Bell and her husband.

Nate has the inside details on the trial

and the plight of both families.

Hey, huh? I'm so happy to be here.

So this is a live taping for wicked words,

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