This is

this is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language.

listener discretion is advised. There's so much irony over this entire story. A lot of death and a lot of shooting of bad people. Do we consider James Brockman a bad person?

I don't. I really don't. I think that he had certainly some questionable qualities,

but I think that there's enough in there of the people that he chose to defend and all the attorneys on both sides of the table came out and said what a great asset to the Houston legal community, James Brockman had been.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the historical True Crime Podcast,

Tenfold More Wicked, as well as the co-host of the new show,

Buried Bones, both on exactly right. I've traveled around the world

interviewing people for the show. I've interviewed some people in person and some from

my home studio over Zoom and they are all excellent writers. They've had so many great true crime stories,

and now we want to tell you those stories

with details that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked Presents, Wicked Words,

is about the choices that writers make, good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories, behind the stories. Author Mike Vance wrote a book about a notorious criminal defense attorney in Houston.

It's called Getting Away with Bloody Murder.

And Mike's been with us before. I talked with him on the last season of Wicked Words,

and I'll let him remind you about that case from 1910.

It's the one that led to his discovery of J.B. Brockman,

the lawyer at the center of this story.

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