The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations, and today's guest is living proof of that.

Monica Guzman is a bridge builder, journalist, and the author of the best-selling book I never thought of it that way.

She's also a senior fellow at Braver Angels and the host of a podcast, A Braver Way.

In this episode, Monica shares how she leaned into curiosity to heal a deep

political rift within her own family. We explore why certainty and fear are the greatest

enemies of curiosity and how the fawning response, a people-pleasing reaction, can sabotage your

ability to stand your ground. Monica also breaks down the power of containment for having honest one-on-one conversations.

If you've ever written someone off because of a disagreement,

this conversation will show you why going toward the fear is the only way to find a path forward.

Let's jump in.

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I think one of the things that would be interesting to explore is your perspective on fear as it

relates to what it is that we're trying to accomplish. Because we often jump straight to tactics and

strategies and we don't often explore what is it that's inside of us that holds us back

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