Gahy humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Do you ever have a conversation

where you realize that the person you're talking to is really just not quite understanding

where you're coming from and vice versa. It can be increasingly difficult to have conversations,

especially about sensitive issues in these toxic and

divisive times. Today's guest is an expert on that. His new book is called Super Communicators,

How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection. Charles Duhigg is an American journalist, a nonfiction

author. He's a winner of the Pulitzer Prize, you know,

that little nod for the work that he did at the New York Times. And his previous book was also

fascinating. We get into that a little bit as well. It's called The Power of Habit. He's sort of

a world authority on the psychology of how we form habits, how we break habits, how they can be constructive,

how they can be destructive.

And the focus of his latest book is what great communicators have in common and how you can

improve your own communication as well.

Please enjoy.

As much as I did, the one and only, Charles Duhigg.

But while we're talking about Substack, so are you on Substack or do you know those guys? I am. Yeah, yeah. So I have a, I have a newsletter on substack. That newsletter is the substack thing, is it? Yeah. Yeah. And I just started it about six months ago. So I'm not really, I'm not really like a pro the way that some people.

Yeah, well. But I like it. I like doing it. I know. It's fabulous. I mean, there's so much potential. And I've got buddies who are making a fortune from it. So who knows? Yeah. And I, exactly. And I am a big, anything that helps writers support themselves. I'm a huge fan. Yes. I mean, the fact that it is now actually possible.

I hosted a talkback radio show in

Sydney for the past two years and was able to leave at the end of last year and just do this.

Largely, you know, because half of the revenue comes from substack and about half from ads.

Oh, so you already have a big substack. Well, big enough, big enough. Yeah. Yeah. So can I ask, like, how many, I'm just wondering, like, at what point it becomes, like, how many subscribers? That's a very good question that my producer would know the answer to, which I don't. I just count the money, Charles.

Yeah, no, I mean, I don't know. I'm still at the early stages. I've only been on there for like six months, but it seems to be, I had, this podcast has a lot of listeners. So you don't need a huge conversion rate for a large, for a large listener base to then go, oh, we'll get the extra stuff as well, because I do some bonus stuff

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