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we care you flourish.org. Sponsored by the Catholic Health Association. Welcome to the spiritual

life. I'm Father Jim Martin. On this podcast, we reflect on how people experience God in their

prayer and in their daily lives. And I am joined in the studio

by my amazing globetrotting producer, Maggie Van Doren. Maggie, I always say, good to be with you,

good to be with you here. Yeah, it's really good to be with you in person here in New York City.

Yeah, welcome. Today we are speaking with Petty Gilger, my Jesuit brother and my friend.

And it is good to say to our listeners and our viewers that this was the very first podcast that we recorded as a kind of test.

But it was so good that we decided to share it with you, even though just a little caveat, neither Patty nor me are dressed in our cleric.

So please forgive us for that.

But can you tell us a little bit about Patty Gilger? So Patty Gilger is a good friend of ours,

and he is a priest of the Midwest province of the Society of Jesus, meaning he is a Jesuit.

He's trained in philosophy and theology and has a Ph.D. in sociology. He is ridiculously

smart. But the real reason that we

wanted him on the spiritual life is he's a trained spiritual director. Yeah. And this was a really

great conversation. You can tell he is a good director. And it's something, interestingly,

even though this was the first show we recorded as a test, it's something that has come up constantly in our podcast and our conversations. What is spiritual direction? How does it work? How do you get one? And we really are able to tackle these questions that we've been hearing for the past couple of months head on.

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