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🗓️ 16 July 2025
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Note: Before we begin, my six-week Shadow Work Intensive, The Shaman’s Devil, Is Now Live. There are only a few spaces left, so if you think you might be interested, move quickly.
If you know me, you'll know this is a pretty big deal for me.
The one and only Dr Alberto Villoldo joins the show this week. We discuss
Why you came to earth in the first place.
What healing is and how to achieve it.
How the academy and culture's understanding of shamanism has changed in the five decades he has been working in the field.
Dr. Alberto Villoldo is a medical anthropologist, psychologist, and shamanic teacher who has spent decades studying the healing practices of the Amazon and Andean shamans. He founded The Four Winds Society to bring ancient energy medicine into dialogue with modern neuroscience. His work bridges worlds—science and spirit, biology and ceremony—to help people remember who they truly are.
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0:00.0 | Initially, people were coming to help themselves or to learn how to help others. |
0:05.2 | And now people are coming to us because they begin to remember what they were born to do, |
0:11.5 | what they came here to do, because we chose to incarnate in the earth at a time of species |
0:18.6 | extinction, climate change, you know, huge transformation, the rise of AI. |
0:24.5 | This is, we selected, we wanted to be part of a new dream for the planet. |
0:29.5 | And the minute we begin to remember that, when we were all gathered in a green field, a grassy field and a big angel come out and said, |
0:36.8 | hey, the planet needs you. |
0:38.4 | It's in trouble. |
0:39.5 | Who wants to go? |
0:40.6 | And we volunteered. |
1:01.6 | 50. 50 years ago, shamanic states were considered forms of psychosis, |
1:06.4 | and studying them from a scientific or medical perspective was deemed career suicide. |
1:09.9 | Now, a lot has changed between now and then. |
1:13.4 | 50 years seems like a long time to us, you know. But it's actually an eye blink when you realize just how old many of these practices are. |
1:19.3 | We're talking tens of millennia. |
1:21.4 | So in this episode, I get to ask my teacher and one of my all-time heroes, Dr. Alberto Vialdo, about his impressions of what has changed and what hasn't over the course of his career. |
1:35.3 | We've seen a lot of change in the outer world when it comes to magic and shamanism, but that inner call, that inward turn, well, that's the same as it ever was. |
1:48.4 | Dr. Alberto Viyoldo himself, thank you so very much for your time, sir. |
1:53.2 | It was good to be with you, Gordon. |
1:55.6 | Absolutely, absolutely. I'm not sure if you remember, but a few months ago on Mount Pachar, Tucson, |
2:00.5 | it was one of the mornings we were up on the mountain. |
2:04.1 | And we're looking at the clouds playing with the top of the peak. |
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