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RiskReversal Pod

Why VCs Are Betting Billions on AI Labs That Have No Product

RiskReversal Pod

RiskReversal Media

Business News, News, Investing, Business

4.7836 Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2026

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Dan Nathan welcomes Michael Dempsey, partner at Compound VC, for an in-depth discussion on AI, crypto, and technological investing. Returning guest Dempsey shares his insights on historical and emerging trends in AI, highlighting the evolving landscape of AI commercialization, the increasing speed from research to market, and the shift from market cap expansion to destruction. The podcast also dives into Dempsey's venture capital strategies, discussing his firm's impressive portfolio, including companies like Runway and Wave, and their new public markets fund. The conversation later transitions to crypto, with guest Evan Karvounis sharing his journey and the significant potential he sees in the decentralized exchange, Hyper Liquid. Michael further elaborates on Bitcoin's potential as a store of value. The episode encapsulates a comprehensive overview of the bleeding-edge tech landscape and its promising future. After the break, Dan welcomes Evan Karvounis to the pod. Evan shares his view on Bitcoin's current branding issues linked to the Trump administration and the preference for gold among Eastern investors. The conversation then shifts to Ethereum and Solana, which Evan believes are significantly overvalued, explaining their past success through the 'casino chip thesis.' The focus then moves to Hyper Liquid, a decentralized exchange project Evan heavily invests in. He outlines its unique approach of building a product before a chain, its market potential, and recent impressive growth, particularly in traditional asset trading. The discussion concludes with Hyper Liquid's market positioning and revenue growth potential. —FOLLOW USYouTube: @RiskReversalMediaInstagram: @riskreversalmediaTwitter: @RiskReversalLinkedIn: RiskReversal Media

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0:56.0

All right, welcome to the Risk Reversal podcast.

0:58.9

I am Dan Nathan.

0:59.9

I'm here with Michael Dempsey.

1:01.2

He is a partner at Compound VC here in New York City.

1:04.8

He is returning to the podcast.

1:07.4

Michael, thank you.

1:08.3

Thanks for having you.

1:09.3

All right, you and I back in June, had this great conversation. We were talking about AI, autonomy, a bunch of themes that you've been investing in for a while. I think you first came on the podcast maybe two or three years ago. And this was not a sort of Johnny Come Lately thing for you. You've been looking at the you know, the evolution into what a lot of investors

1:29.0

have just been talking about AI rather than differentiating a lot of the different technology

1:33.8

and how it's going to work within not just the tech space, but industry is outside of it

1:38.6

and disrupting. And you've been involved in some really interesting names. And we're going to talk

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