We've got behavior before relationship, and that's when people burn out. You'll run out of run rate

really quick if you try to make ethics the heart of your relationship with God.

Girly, so good to see you.

It is great to see you.

You have the prettiest smile.

When I haven't seen you in a while, I forget how pretty your smile is.

Gosh, Psalm 34-5 face.

Oh, thank you, friend.

That's so encouraging.

This is one of those conversations that we're going to go wherever the wind takes us. I believe we were supposed to record this when you had your book coming out.

So we're going to absolutely talk about a Jesus-shaped life. Oh, let's just talk about,

wherever the wind, the Holy Spirit wind blows you, because I don't get enough time with you.

I know. So to just get to selfishly have some Jenny time makes me so happy. Me too. I feel the same way. I always like attack you whenever we're in a room. I need to have questions. And part of it is, let's just talk big picture about why I do that to you because I don't do that to everybody. I should. I'm in some good

rooms. But I would say with you, it's you contain things that I keep wanting to grow in.

And I, I just, so that just makes me watch. It's just because I'm a lot older than you.

I feel like at this age and stage of life, truly, Jenny, I was with some young women recently.

And they were very gracious in asking questions, which I love that in rabbinical tradition, asking questions is considered worship.

I think asking questions, and you do this so beautifully, shows a lot of intellectual humility.

And I don't think we

have enough of that in culture at this moment. So I just love asking questions and being asked

questions. But I told them at this age and stage of life, I'm 62, I can't believe I still get to

talk about Jesus. But I said, y'all, I feel like a whole lot of what I feel responsible for now is to tell you

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