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We're here at Low Carb Universe in Mioka

and as you can see the beautiful backdrop behind us,

but we're still working hard. Don't worry about that.

And I'm meeting this morning with Dr. Gary Fetka

and Belinda Fetka, who have a very interesting story to tell.

So, delighted to meet again, Gary.

I'm.

I'm.

Hi, hi.

Thank you for having us.

Oh, my pleasure, absolutely.

And you have a fascinating story.

Well, kind of two stories.

First, your persecution and exoneration.

And then we'll get to the fascinating kind of

background of where all the dietary guidelines came from and why ultimately

you got into trouble so maybe yeah maybe Gary if you start with that well a lot

of people already know my story he's very similar to Tim Noakes going back

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