Why the wall was built
Throughline
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🗓️ 21 April 2026
⏱️ 13 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is America in Pursuit, a limited run series from ThruLine and NPR. |
| 0:08.3 | I'm Randad de Fet d'A. |
| 0:10.3 | Each week, we bring you stories about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the U.S. |
| 0:15.5 | that began 250 years ago. |
| 0:18.5 | Last week, we talked about the expansion of the United States into a newfound |
| 0:22.6 | global power. But even as the country was expanding its borders around the world to include |
| 0:28.5 | places as far away as the Philippines in the late 19th century, it was also limiting what was and |
| 0:34.9 | wasn't part of the United States by creating boundaries and borders, |
| 0:39.7 | especially along the border between the U.S. and Mexico. |
| 0:43.5 | We need to be really clear about marking this space. |
| 0:46.3 | And that leads a lot of government officials along the border to say, we need a fence. |
| 0:51.0 | Today on the show, through line producers Anya Seinberg and Christina Kim |
| 0:55.3 | take us to the border city of Amos Nogales |
| 0:58.1 | to tell us the story of one of the first walls on the U.S. southern border. |
| 1:03.3 | That story, after a quick break. |
| 1:05.7 | Thank you. We're at a saloon in southern Arizona, known as the exchange. |
| 1:25.5 | There's men sitting around, drinking and gabbing, just like any old-timey Western saloon. |
| 1:33.0 | The saloon is in a town called Amos Nogales. |
| 1:36.4 | Well, actually, it's two towns. |
| 1:39.0 | Nogales, Arizona, and Nogales Mexico. |
| 1:42.0 | That's why it's called Amos Nogales. |
| 1:44.1 | It means both Nogales. And That's why it's called Ambos Nogales. It means both Nogales. |
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