The billionaires' utopia blueprint
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🗓️ 23 April 2026
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Guests:
Atossa Araxia Abrahamian, author of The Cosmopolites and The Hidden Globe: How Wealth Hacks the World
Wayne Gramlich, retired computer engineer
Dan Girma, producer on NPR's Embedded podcast
Jacob Silverman, author of Gilded Rage: Elon Musk and the Radicalization of Silicon Valley
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| 0:00.0 | We did not ask if he had seen any monsters, for monsters have ceased to be news. |
| 0:19.0 | There is never any shortage of horrible creatures |
| 0:21.2 | who prey on human beings, |
| 0:23.3 | snatch away their food, |
| 0:24.8 | or devour whole populations. |
| 0:27.3 | But examples of wise social planning |
| 0:29.3 | are not so easy to find. |
| 0:33.2 | It's the year 1516, |
| 0:35.9 | we're inside the pages of a book called Utopia, breathing the fictional |
| 0:40.7 | air of Antwer, Belgium. |
| 0:43.4 | The utopians fail to understand why anyone should be so fascinated by the dull gleam of a tiny |
| 0:48.6 | bit of stone when he has all the stars in the sky to look at. |
| 0:52.5 | An old, sunburned, long-bearded traveler named Rafael Heitholide |
| 0:57.0 | has just returned to Europe after spending five years on an island called Utopia. |
| 1:03.0 | And he's seeing the world with new eyes, ranting to anyone who will listen. |
| 1:08.0 | I can perceive nothing but a certain conspiracy of rich men procuring their own commodities |
| 1:13.1 | under the name and title of the nation. |
| 1:15.8 | About corrupt leaders, absurd laws, and the enclosure system, in which so-called landlords |
| 1:22.1 | fence off lands belonging to villagers, turning them into their personal fiefdoms, all for the sake of profit. |
| 1:29.8 | What a contrast to the island of utopia, he reminisces. |
| 1:33.9 | Where every man has a right to everything. |
| 1:37.1 | Gold is used for chamber pots. Private property isn't a thing. |
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