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The billionaires' utopia blueprint

Throughline

NPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, History

4.616.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Starbase. Prospera. California Forever. Mars. From private cities to interstellar colonies, tech billionaires like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel have backed experiments designed to operate beyond the borders — and laws — most of us live by. So we wondered: has this happened before? In this episode, we visit an Arctic archipelago, homesteads floating in the ocean, and a startup city in Honduras to explore where places built with the ultra-rich in mind leave all the rest of us.

Guests:

Atossa Araxia Abrahamian, author of The Cosmopolites and The Hidden Globe: How Wealth Hacks the World

Wayne Gramlich, retired computer engineer

Dan Girma, producer on NPR's Embedded podcast

Jacob Silverman, author of Gilded Rage: Elon Musk and the Radicalization of Silicon Valley

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0:00.0

We did not ask if he had seen any monsters, for monsters have ceased to be news.

0:19.0

There is never any shortage of horrible creatures

0:21.2

who prey on human beings,

0:23.3

snatch away their food,

0:24.8

or devour whole populations.

0:27.3

But examples of wise social planning

0:29.3

are not so easy to find.

0:33.2

It's the year 1516,

0:35.9

we're inside the pages of a book called Utopia, breathing the fictional

0:40.7

air of Antwer, Belgium.

0:43.4

The utopians fail to understand why anyone should be so fascinated by the dull gleam of a tiny

0:48.6

bit of stone when he has all the stars in the sky to look at.

0:52.5

An old, sunburned, long-bearded traveler named Rafael Heitholide

0:57.0

has just returned to Europe after spending five years on an island called Utopia.

1:03.0

And he's seeing the world with new eyes, ranting to anyone who will listen.

1:08.0

I can perceive nothing but a certain conspiracy of rich men procuring their own commodities

1:13.1

under the name and title of the nation.

1:15.8

About corrupt leaders, absurd laws, and the enclosure system, in which so-called landlords

1:22.1

fence off lands belonging to villagers, turning them into their personal fiefdoms, all for the sake of profit.

1:29.8

What a contrast to the island of utopia, he reminisces.

1:33.9

Where every man has a right to everything.

1:37.1

Gold is used for chamber pots. Private property isn't a thing.

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