Why the Messy 3AC, Celsius, and Voyager Bankruptcies Will Drag on for Years - Ep.377

Unchained

Laura Shin

Tech News, Business News, News

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 26 July 2022

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Two crypto law experts, WassieLawyer and Adam Levitin, analyze the bankruptcies of 3AC, Celsius, and Voyager. Show highlights: the difference between Voyager and Celsius “custody” and “earn” deposits why Celsius commingling customer custody and earn deposits could make it harder for creditors to get their money back what similarities and differences the Voyager and Celsius bankruptcies have how Chapter 11 bankruptcy works why Wassie and Adam believe Celsius might have engaged in shady business practices, whereas they believe Voyager was just an irresponsible lender what the latest is on the 3AC bankruptcy and the location of Kyle Davies and Zhu Su what Celsius and Voyager can clawback from 3AC how Alameda fits into the Voyager bankruptcy case whether creditors will receive funds back in crypto or dollars the three types of ways creditors can “claw back” funds in a bankruptcy case why Wassielawyer and Adam believe Celsius’ Chapter 11 plan to restructure around mining is so weird whether the founders from 3AC, Celsius, or Voyager will see jail time Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unconfirmedcardearnfeb2021 Ava Labs: https://www.avax.network/ Oasis: https://oasisprotocol.org/grant-programs?utm_source=unchained&utm_medium=partnership&utm_campaign=podcast-oasis-grants-program Episode Links Adam Levitin https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin Adam Levitin 3AC/Celsius/Voyager Content https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1549935271323607040 https://www.thedeal.com/restructuring/oped-looming-legal-issues-in-cryptocurrency-bankruptcies/ https://www.thedeal.com/restructuring/oped-crypto-winter-arrives/ https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4107019 https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1549142827774447619 https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1548727063930077188 https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1547945325125480451 https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1547699788279193600 https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1547584853180162049 https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1547389680198508546 WassieLawyer https://twitter.com/wassielawyer WassieLawyer 3AC/Celsius/Voyager Content https://twitter.com/wassielawyer/status/1543238225338454016 https://twitter.com/wassielawyer/status/1538167831946473472 https://twitter.com/wassielawyer/status/1545827666590601216 https://twitter.com/wassielawyer/status/1536192639112183808 Celsius Content https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/07/19/celsius-lays-out-mining-focused-reorganization-plan-at-first-bankruptcy-hearing/ https://twitter.com/BradyDale/status/1549415579399979008 https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/former-employees-say-issues-plagued-crypto-company-celsius-years-before-bankruptcy.html https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/07/18/celsius-outlines-next-steps-as-bankruptcy-proceedings-begin/ https://twitter.com/wassielawyer/status/1548947257961086976 https://www.reuters.com/technology/crypto-lender-celsius-files-bankruptcy-2022-07-14/ https://blog.celsius.network/a-memo-to-the-celsius-community-59532a06ecc6 https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/07/13/wobble-in-steth-price-shows-fear-celsius-might-dump-435m-stake/ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/07/11/celsius-reclaims-172m-collateral-from-aave-compound/ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/07/13/celsius-pays-off-last-defi-loan-reclaims-nearly-200m-of-wrapped-bitcoin-from-compound/ Voyager Content https://unchainedpodcast.com/voyager-digital-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/crypto-lender-voyager-files-bankruptcy-2022-07-06/ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/06/22/voyager-digital-requests-loan-repayment-from-3ac-considers-issuing-default-notice/ 3AC https://unchainedpodcast.com/3ac-files-for-chapter-15-bankruptcy/ https://www.theblock.co/post/157141/bankruptcy-court-judge-gives-green-light-to-serve-subpoenas-to-3ac-founders-for-discovery https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-possible-insolvencies-by-celsius-and-3ac-could-spell-disaster-for-crypto/ https://unchainedpodcast.com/the-chopping-block-heres-what-was-so-bad-about-three-arrows-capital-ep-368/ https://unchainedpodcast.com/does-venture-capital-investment-violate-the-ethos-of-crypto-sequoia-says-no-ep-367/ https://unchainedpodcast.com/three-crypto-bankruptcies-3ac-celsius-and-voyager-what-happens-now-ep-374/ Other Kirkland and Ellis are running both bankruptcies https://twitter.com/kadhim/status/1549864279536553984 https://twitter.com/tier10k/status/1550133741158219776 (made $1m/week) What is happening to assets in bankruptcy cases https://twitter.com/OGLawPanda/status/1549357959746043909 No exposure for Coinbase https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coinbase-celsius-voyger-three-arrows-exposure-142730485.html KeyFi lawsuit https://fortune.com/2022/07/08/crypto-lender-celsius-ponzi-scheme-used-customer-funds-manipulate-token-prices-jason-stone-says-lawsuit/ 3AC founders break silence https://cryptobriefing.com/the-whole-situation-is-regrettable-3ac-breaks-silence-to-bloomberg/ Learn more about your ad choices. 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0:00.0	Hi all, just a quick note before we begin.
0:02.9	This episode is an interview with a bankruptcy expert, Adam Levitton, an insolvency expert
0:08.2	was he lawyer.
0:09.2	It's an incredible conversation on how the bankruptcy's of free arrows capital, Celsius,
0:14.9	and Voyager will go down.
0:17.0	Just wanted to note that we recorded before Friday afternoon, which is when FTX offered
0:21.4	to allow Voyager customers who opt into the program access to some of their funds early,
0:27.1	as long as they create FTX accounts.
0:29.7	So, in case you're wondering why we don't discuss this proposal, that's why.
0:34.2	However, in discussing it, Post-Show, Wassey Lawyer said it was an incredibly shrewd
0:39.7	move, and believes that it's a signal that Sam Bankman freed thinks the crypto markets
0:44.2	have bottomed.
0:45.2	Otherwise, enjoy this incredibly illuminating discussion of how the three AC, Celsius,
0:51.0	and Voyager bankruptcies will go down.
0:54.0	Hi everyone, welcome to Unchained, your new hypersource for all things crypto.
0:59.5	I'm your host, Laura Shin, author of The Crypto Peans.
1:03.6	I started covering crypto seven years ago, and as the senior editor at Forbes was the
1:08.1	first mainstream media reporter to cover cryptocurrency full-time.
1:12.0	This is the July 26th, 2022 episode of Unchained.
1:16.8	Every other week, Unchained hosts The Shopping Block, where crypto insiders, his seed
1:21.3	Karashi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Taroon Chetra chop it up about the latest news
1:26.6	in the digital asset industry.
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