Why the Church Needs Rituals Again
The Esau McCaulley Podcast
Esau McCaulley
5.0 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 21 May 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
People are searching for rituals, but often in places the church has abandoned. Esau, Mike, and Rochelle Scheuermann talk about whether friendship can survive political disagreement, why people are inventing new rituals for belonging and meaning, and what churches lose when they trade formation for efficiency. Then, Rochelle discusses her new book, Disability and Evangelism, and why disability is not a problem for churches to solve but a gift the body of Christ needs to receive. She shares how her son with Down syndrome changed her understanding of discipleship, evangelism, and the kingdom of God.
0:00 - Theme Song
0:42 - Drake's Triple Album Drop
2:24 - Friendship Across Political Divide
10:08 - Rituals
19:33 - Disability and Evangelism
22:17 - Disability Theology
34:33 - Signs a Church is Accommodating
40:02 - End Credits
Disability and Evangelism: The Good News of the Fullness of God's Kingdom (Center For Disability and Ministry Books) by Rochelle Scheuermann: https://a.co/d/0d4aOT2t
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone. Welcome to the East on my call the podcast. Today, we're joined by our first time, like, what do we call the person? |
| 0:13.4 | Just a guest? It's just a guest. Correspondent, Rochelle Sherman, professor of evangelism at Wheaton College. Yes. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Great to be here. I am once again. I think this is a third of everybody. Everybody who comes to the people who don't know, there's like ranks. There's like professor, associate professor, assistant professor. I'm an associate. Rochelle is a full professor. It means I'm ranked lower than her. We're working the same. |
| 0:38.2 | Yeah, Esau, it feels like every Wheaton prop we've had on is like above you. Are you sure you're not |
| 0:43.1 | the only non-full professor at Wheaton right now? I think I'm too busy doing podcasts. I don't write |
| 0:47.4 | enough books. So on today's episode, we're going to do an eight-part expose on Drake's new album. |
| 0:55.0 | He put out three albums last night. |
| 0:57.0 | By the time this comes out, it'll be a week ago, but like, Drake put out three albums last night. |
| 1:02.0 | I don't know, do you have a take? |
| 1:03.0 | What was your favorite of the three? |
| 1:05.0 | My take is that it was a lot of albums to do. |
| 1:10.0 | A lot of albums. And so I'm impressed with his workload. I have not had a chance to listen. Oh, you know, I haven't. Okay. Rochelle, have you, what is, what is your opinion of Drake's new albums? I'm sure they are fantastic. She's sure. You know, I think, I think, I think we're the only Holy Post podcast that's covered Drake. |
| 1:28.8 | And this might be the only thing that we have to say about Drake. |
| 1:30.7 | It might be. |
| 1:31.2 | I know that he mentions a lot about Kenji's beep. |
| 1:33.0 | We actually not going to talk about Drake, but I thought I should at least let the people know. |
| 1:36.0 | Okay. |
| 1:36.3 | That we're aware. |
| 1:37.3 | Well, we know the Drake. |
| 1:38.3 | Maybe later we'll dig into those like 80 songs. |
| 1:42.1 | But we're not at all. Yeah, I mean, he's no Taylor Swift. |
| 1:45.0 | You know, we did an emergency podcast for her. |
| 1:48.0 | But Drake, three albums just... |
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