Part of my argument for how we get out of some of the messes we're in and change things

so that we have more of that sort of material, political security that we're talking about

is that we actually have to face our vulnerability.

And we have to say, okay, we're all insecure.

Therefore, we need each other.

And let's band together to fight for a world that meets our basic needs.

Okay. our basic needs. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks.

And before we get to this

week's guest, I just wanted to let you know about a little holiday giveaway that we're doing

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