you can no longer just like get a job, have health care, you know, have hobbies and like home

and just like sort of have a normalish life where you go to work and like your boss isn't

exploiting you and you're not being surveilled all the time and you're not worried that if you get

hurt, you'll lose your house. You know, like we just like are all living in this like state of

complete anxiety all the time because most people are one step away from losing everything.

Hello and welcome to Tech won't Save Us in 2023.

I'm actually recording this in 2022, but don't tell anyone. Let's keep it a secret.

I'm your host, Paris Marks. I hope you enjoyed the end-of-year conversation that I had with Brian Merchant, Chris Gileard, and Gita Jackson. It was really fun to kind of

reflect on the past year, to get those people together, to have a discussion, friends of the show,

of course. I hope you enjoyed it because I certainly did. I also have a favor to ask. This month,

we're running a listener survey to find out a little bit more about you, about what you like

about the show, and about what you'd like to see Tech Won't Save Us Do into the future.

So if you wouldn't mind taking about five minutes of your time to click the link in the show

notes where you can fill out this survey, I'd really appreciate it because we want to hear

from you, the listeners, to make sure that the show is reflecting what

you want to see. Of course, what I want to do with it as well, but also to know what you like,

what you're not liking, what you'd like to see more of. The survey is completely anonymous.

It doesn't collect your email address or anything like that. So if you wouldn't mind taking a few

minutes, fill it out. I'd really appreciate it. Now, this week, I have a really fantastic interview for you with Rose Eveleth. Rose is the creator and host of the

Flash Forward podcast and the author of Flash Forward, an illustrated guide to possible and not so

possible to Morrows. I've been following Rose's work for a while, and they've been on my list to

have on the show for a long time since very early on in starting the podcast.

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