It's often using China or using some, like, cartoon, really, really simplified version of what's going on in China to justify or explain something that's actually happening here.

Yeah. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks.

Just a reminder that this month we are running a podcast listener survey.

So if you have about five minutes and wouldn't mind filling that out, you can find a link in the show notes. Certainly appreciate it if you do that. Now this week, my guest is

Louise Metzacus. Louise is a technology reporter at Semaphore and previously worked at NBC

News, rest of world, and wired. I've been reading Louise's work for a while as she's been

covering the tech industry and, you know, how various

tech platforms have been affecting different parts of the world. She recently had a story around

YouTube videos that are predicting the crash of the Chinese economy and how this has become

even more and more common, though has certainly been around for a long time. And I wanted to

dig into that a little bit more, but also to talk to

Louise, about China, policy, and the interactions between China and the United States more broadly.

In recent years, we've obviously seen the United States taking more aggressive rhetoric and policy moves

toward China in trying to restrict its access to technologies, in trying to cut off key economic

ties between the two countries, though that certainly doesn't mean that those things have

been cut off and that the United States and China aren't still very dependent on one another

economically. That is, of course, still the case. But I wanted to explore that more deeply and to talk about

the potential implications as these policies are implemented and as we go further down this route

where these two countries seem to be more hostile toward one another than we've seen in quite a while.

And I think wherever you stand on the question of China politically, I think that you'll

enjoy this conversation because we do get into some very important issues when it comes to the

U.S.-China relationship and where that might be going and the potential implications of that

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