I love that the heart of this message is deconstructing some of these creative leaps that people make and the careers they end up in and the things they're able to do.

The heart is just taking risk.

It's seeing that like it could blow up and actually being really okay with that.

Julie and I have talked about this many times because people ask us, how do you guys do that?

Like why is that so obvious to?

And we're like, well, early on, we had risk exposure where we had to risk something every day

as river guides and get them down this Class V river. And then you do that day after day after day,

after day. And pretty soon you start to be really comfortable with. I have this unknown set of

circumstances. I'm going to have to negotiate it today and tomorrow I'll have to do it again.

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