Why Steak Is at the Top of the New Food Pyramid | Dr. Shawn Baker
American Thought Leaders
The Epoch Times
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🗓️ 24 January 2026
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy recently unveiled a new food pyramid and dietary guidelines for Americans that emphasize high-quality protein, dairy, healthy fats, vegetables, and fruits. Whole grains are downgraded, and processed foods and added sugars are discouraged.
“We’ve been consuming this ultra-processed food, which I call human pet food,” says Dr. Shawn Baker. A former orthopedic surgeon and world champion athlete, he’s the author of “The Carnivore Diet” and co-founder of the online clinic Revero.
“A lot of our food has become very similar to recreational drugs in the way we use and abuse them,” he says.
Eating a lot of addictive, ultra-processed food—high in carbs, sugars, and seed oils—drives inflammation and can lead to obesity, diabetes, arthritis, cardiovascular problems, gut malfunction, depression, and cancers, he explains.
In our in-depth interview, he explains how and why the adoption of low-carb, high-fat diets reduces inflammation and can even reverse chronic diseases such as diabetes and cardiometabolic disease.
There is even significant evidence that such diets can be used therapeutically for neurological and mental health issues, he says.
One of those low-carb, high-fat diets is the ketogenic diet. But what happens when you take keto one step further and go on the carnivore diet?
“Carnivore is basically a diet consisting primarily of animal products. So it would be meat. It would be fish. It would be eggs. It would be dairy products,” he says. This means no plant products at all.
The carnivore diet is not for everyone, but many people suffering from debilitating autoimmune diseases have healed themselves with such a diet, he says. Mikhaila Peterson has famously documented her transformative experience on an even more restricted version of this diet called the “lion diet.”
In our in-depth interview, we discuss many more questions regarding food as medicine and the benefits of a protein-heavy diet, including:
- Why people on ketogenic or carnivore diets experience something called ‘keto calm’ or ‘zero carb zen.’
- Why going on the carnivore diet does not harm your nutritional intake, contrary to what many may think.
- Why such diets can help reverse inflammatory bowel disease, Tourette syndrome, and hypermobility, also known as Ehlers-Danlos syndrome.
It’s time for Americans to stop simply relying on America’s “disease management system” of drugs and pharmaceuticals, he argues, and instead take their health into their own hands.
Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.
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| 0:00.0 | Ketogenic diets have been shown to significantly help with depression, |
| 0:03.7 | significantly help with anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, epilepsy, ADHD, |
| 0:07.9 | ADHD. We're seeing some benefits. |
| 0:09.8 | Today I sit down with Dr. Sean Baker, orthopedic surgeon, founder of Revero, and author of |
| 0:15.9 | The Carnivore Diet. |
| 0:17.4 | I'll tell people I'm doing keto. I mean, it's the only thing that works for me, actually. |
| 0:21.4 | But what happens when you take keto one step further? |
| 0:24.8 | I want you to convince me here that I should try a carnivore. |
| 0:27.9 | It is basically a diet consisting of primarily just animal products. |
| 0:31.5 | So it would be meat, it would be fish, it would be eggs, it would be dairy products. |
| 0:35.2 | Dr. Baker emphasizes the simplicity of the carnivore diet and its potential health benefits. |
| 0:40.3 | They are uniquely satisfying. |
| 0:43.3 | Most people will notice better gastrointestinal function without the fiber. |
| 0:48.3 | For Dr. Baker, diet is only part of the larger picture, as he challenges what he calls |
| 0:53.3 | a flawed disease management system |
| 0:55.5 | in modern medicine. What is disease management mean? Oh, you mean I'm supposed to put them on meds |
| 1:00.0 | for the rest of their life. I think if you treat the root cause, then the disease is not a problem. |
| 1:04.6 | Urging people to take back control of their health through lifestyle changes. I think food is |
| 1:08.9 | critically important. Sleep is important. I think exercise and activity are important. |
| 1:12.4 | I think the sun is incredibly important. |
| 1:14.7 | Then I think also having a purpose in a community around you. |
| 1:18.1 | You can empower yourself to heal. |
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