She said, we're giving out puberty blockers like candy.

You're talking about powerful, irreversible drugs and surgeries on kids.

It's very difficult for them to say, oops, we got this one wrong,

even if they actually come to that realization.

What 12-year-old can possibly understand what it means to never be able to have children in the future?

In this episode, I'm sitting down with Lear Sapir, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and one

of the co-authors of the 400-page HHS review of pediatric gender medicine.

Sex is not assigned at birth, and to tell patients consistently in a medical setting where

figures of authority wearing white coats come into the room and tell parents,

the sex that you thought your daughter or son is, is not their true sex, is fundamentally unscientific and misleading.

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kellick.

Leah Sapir, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Thanks for having me back.

The term sex-rejecting procedures. It's one that I hadn't heard before but kind of makes a lot of sense to me.

Where did this come from? It's now largely used,

actually, in this lexicon, particularly by HHS. That's right. The administration adopted this term

in the last few months as an alternative to, certainly as an alternative to the standard term in the

field, which is gender affirming care. Gender affirming

care is a euphemism, and it is essentially a marketing term. And so it was clear to the administration,

in my view, that they didn't want to use this term. And there were a few other candidates,

sex trait modification being one. But sex rejecting procedures, the advantage of the term is that it conveys the intent

behind the use of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries to treat a condition

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