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Hello, welcome to political thinking.

He's a liberal, lefty lawyer from North London, who cares more about the human rights of illegal migrants and criminals than the rights of ordinary people.

That is what the critics sometimes say of Keir Stama.

They also say it of my guest on political

thinking this week, the Attorney General Lord Homer. Richard Hermer is Stama's friend, his ally,

and a colleague for many years when both were working barristers. He was parachuted into the

House of Lords so he could become the government's top legal advisor.

Lord Homer is an unapologetic champion of both international law and human rights law,

which has made him the man that many on the right love to hate.

He's a politician you rarely see or hear.

Indeed, this is his first full-length broadcast interview,

but his advice affects us all, whether it's on illegal migration,

the war with Iran, or lenient sentences handed down to teenage rapists.

Lord Harkin. Lord Herma, Richard Hermann, Attorney General, welcome to political thinking. Nick, thanks so much.

A real pleasure to be here.

I mentioned that you're the hate figure.

When I was reading in to you.

Nice easy intro.

Well, sorry, it's going to get worse, I'm afraid.

When I'm reading in, I find phrases

like, useful idiot for Britain's enemies, the least patriotic man ever in capital letters to hold

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