“Inequalities don’t happen by accident” Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson on trans rights, Islamophobia, and why equality still matters
Political Thinking with Nick Robinson
BBC
4.6 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 29 May 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
Chair of the equalities watchdog, Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson, on sex and gender, the right to protest, and doing one of the hardest jobs in Britain.
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| 0:21.2 | Hello, welcome to political thinking. |
| 0:23.2 | We're all in favour of equality, right? |
| 0:26.1 | Well, wrong, actually. |
| 0:27.4 | The principle of equality is what many people say they support, |
| 0:31.0 | but what the idea means in practice is increasingly contentious. |
| 0:35.5 | My guest on political thinking this week is the woman who has the extremely sensitive job |
| 0:40.3 | of enforcing the law on equality. |
| 0:43.4 | She is Mary Ann Stevenson, |
| 0:45.3 | the new chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission. |
| 0:48.5 | She's just published advice on one of the most divisive of issues, |
| 0:52.7 | how to ensure equality for trans people without trampling |
| 0:56.3 | on the hardfall rights of women. It's just one of the many difficult debates in which she's |
| 1:01.6 | expected to intervene. In a society in which, for example, someone to ban what they call |
| 1:06.6 | Islamophobia, but others insist on the freedom to criticise, not just Islam but any religion. |
| 1:12.8 | Some argue women are still not treated equally to men, others insist equality has gone too far. |
| 1:18.7 | Not to mention the rights of migrants and refugees as against those born here. |
| 1:24.6 | That is just part of her very packed agenda. |
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