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🗓️ 29 November 2023
⏱️ 64 minutes
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What is the appeal of conspiracy theories, and how is it that they entrap our friends, coworkers, or family members? Political polarization and the rise of social media have generated an unprecedented amount of seemingly absurd misinformation, yet many real people fall for it, and a seemingly endless supply of grifters are ready to exploit them. In this episode, Adam speaks with award-winning author Naomi Klein about what led us to this moment and what hope we have of extricating loved ones who've fallen prey to conspiracy. Find Naomi's book at factuallypod.com/books
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0:00.0 | This is a headgum podcast. I don't know what to think I don't know what to say |
0:16.0 | and that's all right that's okay |
0:21.0 | I don't know anything. |
0:26.0 | Hello and welcome to Factually. I'm Adam Conover. |
0:28.0 | Thank you so much for joining me on the show again. |
0:30.0 | This week, I want to talk about an experience that is both weird and weirdly common in |
0:35.6 | 2023 in the past couple years. You've probably seen it happen to someone around you. |
0:39.3 | Maybe it was a roommate, a parent, a family friend or for me some comedians I started out with whoever it was the story is the same |
0:47.1 | someone who seemed sane with it and living in the same reality as you did, suddenly lost their mind and went down some rabbit hole |
0:56.3 | to emerge as a fully blown conspiracy theorist. |
1:00.4 | Now, people have been losing their shit like this from time immemorial as I've covered before on this show and on |
1:06.4 | Adam ruins everything conspiratorial thinking follows from the normal patterns of |
1:10.9 | human thought that we use to understand the world around us. |
1:14.3 | But it seems that there's something particular and special about the way that people fall |
1:19.9 | into the trap of conspiratorial thinking now, Whether it starts on 4chan or Fox News, |
1:25.2 | anti-Vax or Q-Anon, |
1:27.1 | there's a mirror world of socially poisonous conspiracy |
1:30.8 | that people keep falling into. It is incredibly painful when it happens to someone |
1:35.4 | who you know and love and it's often hard to know how to even understand what |
1:40.0 | happened. What is it about our world, our media, and our politics today that makes this |
1:46.5 | happen over and over again, the reasonable people who we love and care about? |
1:52.1 | Well, today I have a truly brilliant guest to help dig into this issue |
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