Why Seeing Epstein and My Uncle Donald Haunts Me

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🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Mary Trump joins Joanna Coles to pull back the curtain on the Trump family and the man at its center. She recounts a childhood spent seeing her uncle everywhere, the opulent parties that doubled as power plays, and the lessons learned about a man who thrived on attention and control. Mary dissects Donald’s core pathologies—from his craving for wealth and status to the public slips and impulsive behaviors that now define him. She warns that the real danger isn’t just Trump himself, but the enablers who prop him up and profit from his rise. From her perspective as a clinical psychologist and family insider, Mary asks: when the myth collapses, what happens to those left in its wake?

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0:00.0	What worries me is that Donald is a nihilist. My grandfather actually believed in legacy. He wanted
0:07.3	Donald to preserve his legacy. Donald doesn't believe in that. He does not believe that anything,
0:14.0	whether he thinks he's going to be going down because of the Epstein issue or because if he starts to
0:19.8	think that his health is failing, he will not go alone.
0:24.2	He will take as many people down with him.
0:27.7	I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast.
0:31.0	You wrote and we listened and we have another person that you have been clamoring to hear from, Mary Trump.
0:39.5	And how she describes her life as a member of the Trump family is really quite extraordinary.
0:47.5	And how she talks about her grandfather and noticing his symptoms of Alzheimer's and then recognizing those very same symptoms in our
0:58.8	president is really quite chilling. She now has her own media company, Mary Trump Media,
1:06.9	where she has a podcast like we do on YouTube. But I found her an absolutely fascinating and
1:13.0	very thoughtful interviewee as she is able to analyze through her own training as a clinical
1:19.4	psychologist, the dynamics of the family and what it's like growing up Trump. So let's get into it.
1:27.8	Mary Trump is in the house.
1:30.6	Mary Trump, it's been a very long week.
1:34.3	Well, it seems that they all are now.
1:37.1	What is it like to wake up in the morning and just see your uncle everywhere, everywhere, a man that you've been in and out of endless lawsuits, as is the Trump way, apparently.
1:51.3	Yes.
1:52.1	How do you, well, you've set up your own media business to deal with it, but what's it like inside your head?
2:00.1	It's actually something I've gotten used to.
2:02.7	Don't get me wrong.
2:03.8	There's a level at which I still take it very personally.
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