Well, forgive me because I'm on this mic exhausted.

We all are though. I think we all are residing in it. Sometimes in a place of

exhaustion and out. That's what the culture is doing.

You're listening to NPR's Life Kit. I'm Shireen Marisol Maraji.

And my guest today is Trisha Hersey, also known as the NAP Bishop.

Trisha founded a project called the NAP Ministry back in 2016 and she uses

Performance Art and social media and photography. She even has a hotline to

promote the healing power of rest. And now she has a book out called Rest is Resistance.

And Trisha says she wants it to be a bomb for an exhausted world.

Look, I don't usually start my interviews talking about how tired I am, but Trisha really

encourages her overworked readers and her IG followers to acknowledge that we're exhausted

and that we have the right to rest. So here goes. I'm so tired. I don't know how to say no. I know

you've heard this a million times. I definitely am one of those people who operates from a

scarcity mentality that I was 100% raised with. Shout out to my Puerto Rican mom and my Iran dad.

I was just going to, I was just going to ask where you are from, from Amara family.

Yes. Yes. Okay. It makes sense. Yeah. I just, you know, it was just, I don't know,

pushed onto me that all my opportunities would dry up if I say no.

Yes. My parents, my dad taught me you got to work 10 times harder than all of the kids in your

class because you're black. And so all of us are kind of holding on to these toxic programming ideas.

But I think the major thing and what's so beautiful is that the awareness of it is coming now.

That you can at least name that and say that because that's really what this work is. It's just

helping to pull back and veil a little, helping for people to peek out and see their

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