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Bulwark Takes

Why Republicans Are Terrified of The Emails

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, News Commentary, Politics, Society & Culture

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Sam Stein and Will Saletan dissect Sen. Barrasso’s messy defense of Trump amid new Epstein-related revelations, soaked in both contradictions and political awkwardness.

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone, it's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the book.

0:02.7

I'm joined by Will Salton, who's, I don't know about his sitorial choices, honestly. What is this? A black t-shirt with a black hoodie? What is going on here? Last time you had the hoodie, and this time I'm doing the hoodie, and I'm slumming it? Come on, man. You're slumming it. Give me a break. Couldn't get in your Sunday best.

0:22.6

I'm in my Steinware here.

0:24.4

Come on, man. You're slumming it. Give me a break. Couldn't get in your Sunday best. I'm in my Steinware here. Come on. We're going to talk today about John Barrasso, mostly about the weird Epstein politics that are about to descend upon the United States Senate. We don't enjoy watching the Sunday shows per se. Maybe Will does. But we watch them for you so that you can get the digestion of them here. All right. Well, so Barass was on the shows. He says a bunch of stuff. What stood out to me, I guess, is how he's approaching the Epstein saga. And so he's pressed on this because, you know, Donald Trump's now in this whole,

0:55.2

this is a hoax.

0:56.5

We don't, you don't have to spend your time doing this.

0:59.9

Move on.

1:00.6

This is a distraction.

1:01.9

Yada, yada, yada.

1:03.9

At the same time, Donald Trump is saying, investigate all the stuff when tying Epstein to any

1:10.2

Democrat.

1:11.1

So it's a hoax only like to a small degree.

1:14.0

Everything else is legitimate.

1:15.7

And John Barras was kind of pressed on this point.

1:18.1

This is how he explains why the DOJ is following Trump's orders to investigate people,

1:24.2

even though the DOJ had previously said there's no evidence to investigate people

1:28.6

with respect to the Epstein files. Let's take a listen.

1:31.1

President Trump this week asked the Justice Department to investigate Jeffrey Epstein's

1:37.5

involvement in relationship with some top Democrats. And yet in July, the Justice Department

1:43.1

and the FBI released a memo about the Epstein case that

1:46.5

said, quote, we did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against

1:52.8

uncharged third parties. Senator, if there wasn't evidence to justify further investigation in

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