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NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

Why Refis Are Spiking and How to Optimize Your 401k Target-Date Fund for Long-Term Growth

NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

NerdWallet Personal Finance

Investing, How To, Education, Business

4.3 • 895 Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Learn when a refi saves money and how target-date funds work, including fees and when to pick a later fund year. What exactly is a target-date fund, and when should you move your date? How do you know if now is a good time to refinance a house? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola discuss mortgage refinancing and target-date funds to help you understand how to quantify savings on a refi and how to set (and adjust) an age-appropriate retirement glide path. To kick off the episode, NerdWallet senior news writer Anna Helhoski joins with mortgages and student loans writer Kate Wood and mortgage reporter Holden Lewis to break down why refis are spiking even without fresh Federal Reserve cuts, who’s most likely to benefit right now, and how markets (not just the Fed) drive daily mortgage rate moves. They begin with a discussion of rate-and-term vs. cash-out refinancing, with tips and tricks on calculating your breakeven point, using the ~0.75 percentage-point rule-of-thumb for potential savings, and factoring in 2% to 6% closing costs and how long you’ll stay put. Then, investing Nerd June Sham joins Sean and Elizabeth to discuss target-date funds. They discuss how glide paths work (to vs. through retirement), when to push your target year if you’ll work longer, and how fees compare with index funds/ETFs, plus contribution frameworks (10% to 15% of income vs. the “80% replacement” rule) and why many hands-off investors value auto-rebalancing despite higher expense ratios. A listener case study (age 35, 2055 fund) highlights how to revisit your target date in the decade before retirement, how to read a fund’s glide path, and why staying invested and consistent often matters more than chasing perfect timing. Want us to review your budget? Fill out this form — completely anonymously if you want — and we might feature your budget in a future segment! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK53yAufsc4v5UpghhVfxtk2MoyooHzlSIRBnRxUPl3hKBig/viewform?usp=header In this episode, the Nerds discuss: mortgage refinance, refinance calculator, mortgage rates today, breakeven point refinance, cash-out refinance, HELOC vs cash-out, refinance closing costs, when to refinance, refinance vs home equity loan, bond market and mortgage rates, Federal Reserve and mortgage rates, target-date fund, best target-date funds, target-date fund glide path, to vs through glide path, 401k target-date fund, change target-date fund year, 2055 target-date fund, target-date fund fees, expense ratio comparison, ETF vs mutual fund, index funds S&P 500, retirement contribution 10 to 15 percent, 80 percent income replacement rule, taxable brokerage vs 401k, annuity vs staying invested, debt consolidation with home equity, credit card APR vs mortgage rate, divorce refinance requirements, stay-or-sell breakeven analysis, and refinance eligibility 2025. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email podcast@nerdwallet.com. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

investing for retirement is one of the toughest tasks we have in our personal financial lives.

0:05.4

So many choices. How can you figure out what's right for you? Well, there's one option that can

0:10.2

fairly be called a set it and forget it investment plan. They're target date funds. And today,

0:15.6

we're going to tell you all about them. Welcome to NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast, where you send us your money questions and

0:26.0

we answer them with the help of our genius nerds.

0:28.7

I'm Sean Piles.

0:29.8

And I'm Elizabeth Ayola.

0:32.1

Later this episode, we'll be explaining what exactly a target date fund is and how to know if it's a good option for your retirement

0:38.9

planning. But first up, our weekly money news roundup where we break down the latest in the world

0:43.9

of finance to help you be smarter with your money. Our news colleague, Anna Hilhouski, is back with a look

0:48.8

at what's happening with the housing market. We're seeing a spike in home mortgage refinancing

0:53.4

right now, despite the fact that the

0:55.3

Federal Reserve hasn't cut rates since the end of last year. So rather than speculate, we have

1:00.5

Kate Wood and Holden Lewis to home mortgage experts at Norwood to unpack what's going on out

1:05.6

there. Welcome back, Holden, Kate. Hello again. Hey. All right, so what are you both seeing out there?

1:10.7

This summer, we're saying that about half of mortgages are refinances. Now, I mean, that's not a ton of mortgages because hardly anyone is getting a mortgage nowadays. You know, home sales are depressed. But the fact is that about half of mortgages are refinances. So, you know, we're talking a bigger piece of a shrunken pie.

1:30.8

Think like those mini pies that you get at like a gas station or a convenience store. It's really not

1:36.3

a lot of people who are applying for home loans. But refinance is getting a lot of interest because

1:41.5

many of the people who bought homes in the last two-ish years

1:44.5

are really antsy to try to get a lower mortgage rate. So it's not surprising that people in that

1:49.8

particular group want to refinance, but are rates really that much lower? And how do you know when

1:55.4

it makes sense to refinance? Let's start with that second question. How do you know when it makes

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