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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Why Postliberalism Failed | Interview: James M. Patterson and Thomas D. Howes

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.76.6K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Jonah Goldberg is infamous for muttering venomous curses against postliberalism at odd moments, such as while flossing or playing backgammon with Steve Hayes. Recognizing that to the layman this might seem rabid or antisocial, Jonah has invited two authors of a recent book on postliberalism to give some background on this puzzling phenomenon. The trio discusses postliberalism vs. anti-liberalism, integralism, Adrian Vermeule, elite capture, national conservatism, Viktor Orbán, ISI, the Heritage Foundation, subsidiarity, the wish to political violence, postliberalism's institutional future, ground-level antisemitism, right-wing Hegelianism, and Peter Thiel.  Show Notes: —Why Postliberalism Failed —Jonah on the Reagan Caucus Action —Vermeule in The Atlantic: “Beyond Originalism” —Vermeule: “Ralliement: Two Distinctions” —Vermeule: “‘It Can’t Happen’; Or, the Poverty of Political Imagination  —Patrick Deneen: Why Liberalism Failed —Vermeule’s review of Why Liberalism Failed —Integralism book —The Atlantic: “The MAGA Intellectual Who Prophesied a Queen Melania” —Patrick Deneen: Regime Change —Michael Bonner Remnant The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including the Saturday Ruminant, audio versions of all our articles and newsletters, and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠click here⁠. Instructions on how to set up your members-only feed can be found here, and if you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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