Welcome to Resilience Development in Action with Steve Bisson.

This is the podcast dedicated to first responder mental health, helping police, fire,

EMS, dispatchers, and paramedics create better growth environments for themselves and their teams.

Let's get started.

Okay. their teams. Let's get started. Well, hi, everyone, and welcome to episode 246.

We have you listen to episode 245 was Nikki Mason, who was there.

She was amazing, and I hope you enjoy that talk about Grandad Recovery Centers,

which is made for first responders, which is pretty awesome.

But speaking of someone who is a advocate for first responders,

this is someone who was recommended to me.

I had read his book, and I really enjoyed it. And this is about 10, 15 years ago. Just being honest with Kevin here. But when I read the book, I thought it was really great. And then I do my survey every year, as you guys heard in the other episode. And two people said to me, you need to have Kevin Gilmartin on. And'm like perfect let me contact him let's take a shot

the guy responded to me in like an hour and I can't tell you how invaluable that is if you work in

this world you know that getting a quick answer is the key to great relationships but Kevin Gil

Martin welcome to finding your not finding you thank you for having me, Steve. My pleasure.

Resilience development and action. I changed the name about a year ago. Still haven't recommended in my head.

It's really, it's really an honor to have you here. Again, I truly enjoyed the book. It talks a lot about the emotional survival skills that people need to work in the first respond to world, particularly police officers. I'd like you to introduce yourself maybe to people because I feel like I know you from those

and we spoke offline. So this is even better. But can you introduce yourself to the audience in case

they don't know who you are? Well, I'm a clinical psychologist, retired from law enforcement.

I'm an old guy. So I've had the blessing or curse whatever he wanted to call it of being in this field from pretty much

the beginning of the whole mental health for first responders field. Going back to the

1970s working at moderate-sized law enforcement agency and watching what wasn't

existing then. There were no mental health services to speak on. Then watching it as the years have

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