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Hey all, Joe here and you are listening to Under the Influence.

I can't believe that February is finally here.

Because January, it seemed like an entire year, didn't it?

I mean, I kept saying to Nick, I was like, my God, it has been a crazy year, man. And he's like,

it's not even February yet. It's only January 15th. I mean, it can only get better from here,

right? There were a lot of crappy things about January. We don't need to list them all,

and we're just going to talk about one of them today. It's the fact that so many parents

starting in January are asked to plan their entire summer for their children, with spreadsheets

and wait lists and thousands of dollars on the line. And for so many parents, especially moms, because moms take

on the burden of most of this, summer planning has become a uniquely American form of hell.

Today's conversation is all about that pressure. My guest today is an expert on all of it.

Catherine Goldstein is an award-winning journalist and a fellow at the

Better Life Lab at New America. She's also the author of the substack, The Double Shift.

She has three kids, including twins, during the pandemic, which, whoof, woof, and she's been

reporting a lot on the stresses that summer vacation places on parents. In addition to possible

alternatives. So today we're going to talk about the stress, but we're also going to talk about

letting go of the idea that paid and structured programming is the only path to a quote-unquote

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