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If you're trying to be perfect, it's going to hurt your marriage.

And if you're your spouse are struggling with perfectionism, we're so glad you tuned in today.

It's kind of an intervention day, I think.

I'm John Fuller, joined by Greg and Aaron Smalley, who lead the focus on the family marriage team.

And Aaron, you're a counselor, and I'm sure you've seen people who show up in the office

because he's just Mr. Perfect and I'm not, or vice versa, or some variation. How does

perfectionism show up in a marriage? And how does a couple cope well or not with that tendency?

Well, expecting perfection either from yourself or from your spouse is never going to go well.

The person who might be showing up expecting perfection is going to feel this constant pressure

of I'm never adding up.

Or if the spouse is showing up with expectations that are perfectionistic, that's not going

to go well either

because the other spouse is never going to hit the mark.

So it's identifying it, becoming aware of it both individually, if I'm expecting myself to show up

with perfection, as well as for a spouse to identify, are my expectations realistic of my spouse?

Okay, that's a great setup for this clip that we have,

featuring Focus on the Family President, Jim Daly.

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