Then you can go into the world and realize, oh, there's so much grief for the hungry children

from that pandemic.

We have grain elevators full of food and wealthier and families that are starving there

for people who have no opportunity and you realize this is wrong and you can tolerate it.

You can turn and see the suffering of the world and let it into your heart

because you become steady enough and caring enough to be present for it all. Hi, everybody.

Thank you so much for being with me today for this conversation that matters.

And the only thing that ultimately matters is that we learn to love one another.

I have two great, great people, great guests with us today

to talk about just that. People who are well known in the fields of compassion, compassionate meditation,

Buddhism, mindfulness, people have been around that part of the journey of humanity, professionally as well as personally for many years

and have much to teach millions of people about it right now.

But both of them have very heady academic backgrounds, which makes their journeys

particularly interesting, so I want to tell you a little about it.

The two people that I'm talking about, my guest today, are Jack Cornfield and his wife, Trudy Goodman. Jack graduated from Dartmouth

with a degree in Asian studies. He went to Thailand. That's where he first studied meditation

with a Buddhist teacher with the Peace Corps when he went there in 1967.

He holds a PhD in clinical psychology, and he is a founding teacher at the Insight Meditation Society and Spirit Rock Meditation Center.

He is a husband, he is a father, and he is an activist.

His wife, Trudy Goodman, has trained and practiced in two fields,

meditation and psychotherapy. She holds a master's degree from Harvard University and a PhD in

psychology. For 25 years in Cambridge, she did mindfulness-based psychotherapy with children,

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