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🗓️ 26 July 2024
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0:00.0 | There's something called social cohesion, which means I've formed a bond to where I'm going to put the needs of that person or that group above my own self-centered needs. |
0:15.4 | Every part of the daily practices of how we were fighting, how we were living was bonding us together. |
0:22.9 | There is a limit to knowing somebody at an interpersonal level. I think it maxes out like at |
0:29.0 | 150, which oddly is about the max of a company. |
0:33.0 | Hey, welcome back to the Modern War Institute podcast. I'm John Ambo, editorial director at MWI, |
0:38.3 | and this episode was a special one for me because I got the chance to talk about a fascinating |
0:42.8 | subject with a colleague that has been a really influential part of MWI since the organization's |
0:48.8 | beginning. Many listeners will know John Spencer. He's MWI's chair of Urban Warfare Studies and one of the foremost experts on the subject of urban warfare. |
0:58.6 | But he also spent 25 years as an infantry soldier and officer. |
1:02.4 | Based on his experiences and a lot of research, he recently finished a book called Connected Soldiers. |
1:08.3 | The book weaves together a number of themes, but chief among them |
1:11.6 | is the importance of cohesion in military units. He talks specifically about the way that technology, |
1:17.7 | social media and smartphones, and constant connectivity with the outside world can disrupt what he |
1:23.1 | calls the band of brothers effect, the process of building that cohesion. It's a really interesting |
1:28.8 | discussion full of insights, not just from his extensive research, but also from his |
1:33.2 | firsthand experience leading soldiers in combat. Before we get to it, though, as always, just a |
1:38.8 | couple quick notes. First, if you're enjoying the MWI podcast wherever you're listening, |
1:43.8 | please take a second to give it a rating or leave a review. And second, as always, if you're enjoying the MWI podcast wherever you're listening, please take a second to give it a rating or legal review. |
1:46.8 | And second, as always, what you're here in this episode are the views of the participants and don't represent those of West Point, the Army, or any other agency of the U.S. government. |
1:55.6 | All right, here's my conversation with John Spencer. |
2:08.5 | John, thank you for joining me on the MWI podcast. |
2:10.9 | Hey, well, thanks for having me back. |
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