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Why Military Assistance for Ukraine Matters

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.3107.6K Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2019

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The question of whether President Trump leveraged military assistance to Ukraine for personal gain is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry. Today, we speak with our Ukraine correspondent on why that assistance was so important to Ukraine — and the United States — in the first place. Guest: Andrew E. Kramer, who covers Ukraine for The New York Times and is based in Moscow. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Background reading: Petro O. Poroshenko, who was Ukraine’s president until May, knew his country’s independence hinged on American support. So he waged a campaign to win over President Trump.As vice president, Joe Biden tried to press Ukraine’s leaders to clean up corruption and reform the energy industry. The story of that effort has been overtaken by his son’s work for a Ukrainian gas company.

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0:00.0

From New York Times, I'm Michael Barrow. This is the Daily.

0:09.2

Today, at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, was a threat to withhold US military assistance

0:16.4

from Ukraine. Why that assistance had been so important to Ukraine and to the United States

0:23.6

in the first place. It's Monday, November 11th.

0:39.5

The word Ukraine means frontier or borderland. This was a frontier between two competing

0:46.7

empires. It's been a country torn between East and West, between Western Europe and Russia.

1:01.6

For most of the 20th century, Russia had won out, and Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.

1:05.7

The declaration of independence is on as of today, until August 24th, 1991, when Ukraine took

1:17.1

a step toward the West. It was a culmination of a long struggle for independence,

1:29.7

and after years of hardship under Soviet rule, Ukraine was now an independent state.

1:50.4

So once Ukraine becomes an independent country, and it can have its own international relations

1:56.4

with the rest of the world, what do those relationships start to look like?

2:00.4

The key issue for Ukraine, the defined both its foreign and its domestic policy in the

2:05.6

post-Soviet period, was the geopolitical struggle for Ukraine's allegiance.

2:10.6

I reached Andrew Kramer, a foreign correspondent for the Times, in Kiev.

2:15.4

On the one hand, you had Ukraine very closely tied to Russia by industrial supply chains,

2:20.0

by energy pipelines, and indeed by culture and by history, but the European Union was pulling

2:26.1

Ukraine in the Western direction, the European Union in the United States, trying to conceive of

2:30.4

Ukraine as integrated into the Western European world. And as Europe pulled in one direction, Russia

2:36.6

started to pull back. And what was it about Ukraine that interested the US and the European Union?

2:43.8

The idea was to encourage development of a democratic system and to prevent the reemergence

2:50.3

of a Russian empire. There was the axiom that Russia, without Ukraine, is just a country and Russia

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