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Why Men Are at the Top of Society (and the bottom) - Roy Baumeister - #1075

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2026

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Roy Baumeister is a psychologist, professor, and researcher. Are men inherently more expendable from an evolutionary standpoint—and if so, has that dynamic helped drive innovation? If risk-taking outliers are often responsible for progress, what does that say about the role men play in shaping civilisation? And does this tradeoff come at the cost of higher failure, instability, and sacrifice along the way? Expect to learn why cultures flourish when they exploit men and what that actually means, why men have ended up in higher positions in society and if civilisation runs on male competition, why men are so much more likely to take physical, financial, and social risks, if risk-taking men are necessary for progress, what people do not understand about self-destructive male behaviours and much more… Timestamps: (0:00) Why Men Are Seen as More Expendable (7:27) The Hidden Power of Intrasexual Competition (13:25) How Female Choice Drives Male Ambition (15:55) Why Men Vary More Than Women (22:12) The Real Driver of Differences Between the Sexes (29:21) Why Men Take More Risks Than Women (33:14) What is the Imaginary Feminist? (35:56) Is Modern Gender Discourse Broken? (45:36) Has Feminism Changed How We Protect Women? (51:55) What Happens When Male Sacrifice Isn’t Rewarded? (54:07) Why Ego Depletion is Under Attack (59:15) The Strongest Critiques of Willpower (01:05:47) How to Improve Willpower and Self-Control (01:10:53) Porn is Damaging Sexual Novelty (01:21:11) How Does Sexual Novelty Affect Female Desire? (01:29:00) Where to Find Roy Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠ New pricing since recording: Function is now just $365, plus get $25 off at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get up to $350 off the Pod 5 at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, an AG1 Welcome Kit, and more when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠ Email: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You say that cultures flourish by exploiting men. What does that mean? Well, there are multiple aspects to it, but first of all, men are more expendable than women, probably for basic biological reasons. If a small group loses half its men,

0:21.0

the next generation can still be full size,

0:23.6

loses half its women,

0:24.8

it'll be a long time to recover.

0:27.4

So it takes risks men,

0:30.1

poached men to work,

0:32.9

to produce things.

0:34.7

Most of, you know, the structures of society are really created by men.

0:43.0

I was talking to Carol Hoeven at Harvard, and she said,

0:47.1

there was a feminist who had an epiphany.

0:48.9

One point she was looking out the window and said,

0:51.9

the whole world was built by men.

0:54.9

He said, look at the buildings and the roads and the cars and all those things.

1:01.4

And that's just the physical world, the institutions too, the banks and the schools and the armies and the governments and the marketplaces.

1:13.6

I mean, women do plenty of wonderful things and they're important partners in the flourishing of our species.

1:21.6

But creating large social systems, that seems always to be the men's job.

1:36.0

And so our cultures compete against other cultures, which is mostly groups of men competing against other groups of men.

1:45.0

Now women have joined the groups in many places, but still the institutional structures are created by men. Why is it the case that men have been overrepresented as the builders in that case, both cognitively, systemically, physically?

1:57.9

Why is it?

2:05.6

That's because men do those things and women don't. What I realized fairly early on, and I have some publications of this,

2:11.6

and it was an early part of my thinking, is that the way people are being social, there are a couple ways. There's

2:18.3

interacting one-to-one, or there's doing things in large groups. I noticed this because in my field

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