Was the last time we saw each other?

Was that at the Recode conference?

Yes, that's where you were impressing me.

And I actually turned to your ex-husband.

I said, I like you 10% more because of her.

And he goes, well, how much you like me?

I go 10% now.

Good for you.

I know. Hi, everyone.

From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm

Kara Swisher.

Today, I'm talking to Melinda French Gates, who I've known for a very long time. She's one of the top

philanthropists in the world, an accomplished businesswoman, and a leading global advocate for women

and girls, and in the past few years, she's also become a force in democratic politics. Melinda is

the author of a new book called The Next Day, which takes readers through some of the most important

transitions in her life, including the death of a friend, becoming a mother, going through a very public

divorce with Bill Gates, and leaving the Gates Foundation, which she co-founded with him in order to

focus on her own philanthropic efforts in her organization, Pivotal Ventures. After decades of running

some of those consequential philanthropic programs in the world, she hasures. After decades of running some of those consequential

philanthropic programs in the world,

she has an encyclopedic knowledge

of the trickiest issues in the sector,

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