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On with Kara Swisher

Trump, Immigration & the Erosion of Due Process

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

4.22.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown has led to a series of legal skirmishes with major constitutional implications. To unpack it all, Kara speaks to three experts:  Caitlin Dickerson is a Pulitzer Prize-winning staff writer for The Atlantic who covers immigration. She is currently writing a book on the impact of deportation on American society. Maria Hinojosa is the host and executive producer of the Peabody Award-winning Latino USA and the founder of Futuro Media Group, which just released the second season of their Pulitzer Prize-winning podcast, Suave. She has won over a dozen awards in journalism, including four Emmys and the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award Deborah Pearlstein is the director of the Princeton Program in Law and Public Policy at the Center for the Study of Democratic Politics. She is an expert in constitutional law and her book, Losing the Law, will be published next year.  This episode was recorded on Thursday, April 19th. While we were recording, the Supreme Court announced it will hear a case related to President Trump’s executive order to undo birthright citizenship. And on Saturday, April 20th, the Supreme Court ordered the Trump administration to temporarily halt the removal of Venezuelan migrants from the country.    Questions? Comments? Email us at [email protected] or find us on Instagram, TikTok and Bluesky @onwithkaraswisher. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, everyone. This is Kara. We recorded this panel on Thursday, April 19th. Early Saturday morning,

0:07.2

the Supreme Court temporarily barred the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelan

0:12.9

migrants from the United States. The court was responding to an emergency application from the

0:18.2

ACLU, which sought to prevent the administration from using the

0:22.1

Alien Enemies Act to remove migrants without due process. In the coming days and weeks, the courts

0:28.3

will weigh in on major constitutional issues, and this expert panel gets the core of what's at

0:33.9

stake. So So stick around.

0:52.0

Hi, everyone from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. This is on with Kara Swisher,

0:55.5

and I'm Kara Swisher. Immigration-related cases have been dominating the headlines and for good reason. A federal judge has found probable cause to hold

0:59.9

the Trump administration's officials in contempt of court for violating his order to stop the

1:05.1

deportations of migrants that have received no due process. And then there's the case of Kilmar Armando Abrago-Garcia. He entered the

1:13.7

country illegally and was given protected legal status, but then got deported to El Salvador,

1:19.1

and what the administration initially admitted was an administrative error. The Supreme Court

1:23.8

upheld a lower court decision and ordered the administration to facilitate his return in a nine to zero decision, but so far the administration has essentially thumbed its nose at the courts.

1:34.7

There's a seemingly endless number of constitutional issues being raised almost daily. In the middle of this recording, we heard that the Supreme Court will hear a case challenging birthright citizenship.

1:45.2

So we've got three experts to help us understand this huge mess.

1:49.9

Caitlin Dickerson is a Pulitzer Prize-winning staff writer for the Atlantic who covers immigration

1:54.1

and is currently writing a book on the impact of deportation on American society.

1:59.0

I happen to be a massive fan of her also. Maria Inajosa is a Pulitzer

2:03.9

Prize-winning journalist, the host and executive producer of the Peabody-winning Latino USA, and the founder

2:10.4

of Futuro Media Group. The second season of their podcast, Suave, was just released. And Deborah Pearlstein is the director of the

2:18.9

Princeton program in law and public policy, a law professor and a constitutional law expert.

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