Why It’s Not Legal (But It Really Is) To Exclude Black People From Juries
Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast
WNYC Studios
4.4 • 677 Ratings
🗓️ 9 November 2021
⏱️ 24 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast from WNYC Studios. It's Tuesday, November 9th. |
| 0:14.8 | We'll begin today with issues raised in the trials of Kyle Rittenhouse in Wisconsin and the three men accused of murdering |
| 0:22.2 | Ahmad Arbery in Georgia. The cases are very different in some ways, but also have some major |
| 0:28.0 | overlapping issues, including that they are both cases of alleged white vigilantes who killed people |
| 0:34.4 | in racially charged circumstances as they assume the role of police officers, |
| 0:39.3 | which they are not. In both cases, the defendants are pleading self-defense. And in both cases, |
| 0:45.5 | there have been issues of racism on the jury. One juror in the Rittenhouse case has already been |
| 0:51.0 | dismissed for telling a racist joke about the case to a court deputy, |
| 0:56.0 | who he apparently thought would find the racist joke funny and acceptable and not report him to |
| 1:01.1 | the judge. And maybe the most publicized of all the issues so far is the infuriating finding |
| 1:08.3 | by the judge in the Georgia case that there was intentional racism, |
| 1:14.2 | intentional discrimination in the jury selection process, that racism did determine the composition |
| 1:20.9 | of the jury, but there is nothing he can do about it. Here are a few clips of the judge, |
| 1:26.9 | Timothy Walmsley, from the bench. First, |
| 1:30.1 | the basic finding. This court has found that there appears to be intentional discrimination |
| 1:37.7 | in the panel. That's that prima facie case. A prima facie case. Primafaci means clearly true, self-evident. Here the judge explains a |
| 1:46.9 | little bit of why, but says he cannot reseat the jury. Quite a few African-American jurors were |
| 1:54.7 | excused through preemptory strikes exercised by the defense. But that doesn't mean that the court has the authority to |
| 2:05.2 | reseat. He doesn't have the authority to receipt to order a new, not obviously racist jury |
| 2:12.6 | selection process. And here he explains a little bit of why he believes he does not have that authority |
| 2:18.9 | under Georgia state law. Again, in the state of Georgia, all the defense needs to do is provide |
| 2:25.6 | that legitimate, non-discriminatory, clear, reasonably specific, and related reason. And the court |
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