You're listening to the Creating a Brand podcast where we deliver weekly masterclass interviews on topics to help you make your first or next step in business the right one.

I'm your host, Alex San Felipe.

Have you ever found yourself saying the following statements, I'm always so busy and

overwhelmed at work, or work is always crazy. First off, you're not alone, my friend. In today's

episode, I am joined by D.H. David Hannah Meyer Hanson, and we'll be talking through his book titled,

It Doesn't Have to be Crazy at Work. Now, throughout David's career as the co-founder of Basecamp, the creator of Ruby on Rails,

the best-selling author of multiple books, and so much more, with all of his achievements,

you'd think that crazy would be part of his normal work life, but it's not.

David has found that work doesn't have to be crazy at all.

In fact, he has proven the opposite can be true.

Today's conversation will help you create a culture of productivity and

calm. For links to resources that will be mentioned during this episode, please visit CreatingAbrand.com

slash 080. And now here is my conversation with David Hanemeyer Hansen.

David, welcome to the Creating a Brand podcast.

Thanks for having me on.

Absolutely.

I have to mention this, and I talked about the intro a little bit as well, but you are

extremely accomplished and diverse.

I think you have to be the only racing driver slash software creator out there.

Am I right in saying that

or do you know more? There are few. There's actually like a little subculture, I think, of

programmers who've gotten interested in in race car driving. Not a lot, though. Not a lot.

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