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The Briefing Room

Why is there a row about disability benefits?

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The Government was forced into a humiliating climbdown over its controversial benefits bill this week, and any savings the Treasury had hoped to make were wiped out. The politics of this is a subject on its own, but the underlying problem the government was trying to solve, however, remains. David Aaronovitch asks his guests why the cost of disability benefits has ballooned so unexpectedly, who gets them and why and whether the system works for disabled people.

Guests:

Paul Lewis, Presenter Moneybox, BBC Radio 4 Tom Waters, Associate Director, Institute for Fiscal Studies Louise Murphy, Senior Economist, Resolution Foundation Ruth Patrick, Professor of Social and Public Policy, University of Glasgow

Presenter: David Aaronovitch Producers: Caroline Bayley, Kirsteen Knight and Sally Abrahams Production co-ordinator: Maria Ogundele Sound engineers: Sarah Hockley and Gareth Jones Editor: Richard Vadon

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:09.0

A humiliation was how the BBC's political editor described the climb down, forced upon Kea Stama by his own MPs over the government's proposed benefits bill.

0:20.8

Any saving the Treasury had hoped to make

0:22.8

was reduced to the roundest number of all.

0:26.4

The politics is a subject on its own.

0:29.3

The underlying problem the government was trying to solve, however, remains.

0:33.5

Why has the cost of benefits ballooned so unexpectedly?

0:40.1

Who gets them and why? And in principle,

0:46.1

what should be done about it, if anything? It all needs some explaining, which is why we're inviting you to step into the briefing room.

0:53.8

First, let's find out exactly what the disability benefits are and how you get them.

0:59.5

Paul Lewis is the presenter of Radio 4's Moneybox program.

1:03.5

Paul Lewis, what are these disability benefits that we're talking about here?

1:07.3

Well, the main one is personal independence payment or PIP.

1:11.9

It's a benefit that's replaced a number of older benefits in the past.

1:15.9

And the purpose of it is to help people who have disabilities cope a bit more with the extra expenses that that disability causes.

1:25.5

It's not a benefit that's linked to work. It's not means tested. It's just

1:29.2

an extra amount of money that you get because as a disabled person, you inevitably have more

1:34.9

expenses. Right. And then there's universal credit and disability allowance. You can take me through

1:41.0

that one. Universal credit is different. I mean, universal credit is what's called an in-work benefit.

1:46.1

It's a means-tested benefit.

1:47.6

It's there to either give you a basic income if you don't work

1:51.4

or to give you a bit more income if you're on low pay.

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