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Why I Changed My Mind on Christian Sexual Ethics? Rev Dr Christopher Landau vs Rev Charlie Bell hosted by Andy Kind

Unbelievable?

Premier Unbelievable?

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

This week on Premier Unbelievable?, Andy Kind hosts a bold and honest conversation about sex, sexuality, and discipleship in the Church. Joining him are Rev Dr Christopher Landau, author of Compassionate Orthodoxy and Sexuality, who defends the Church’s traditional teaching with pastoral conviction—and Rev Dr Charlie Bell, author of Queer Holiness, who calls for a theology that embraces LGBTQ+ inclusion as central to holiness. Can the Church hold grace and truth together without compromise? And is it possible to disagree without doing harm? SOCIAL LINKS Twitter: https://twitter.com/unbelievablefe Facebook: / https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Instagram: / https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: / https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable

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0:00.0

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0:30.7

Sex and the Church.

0:32.1

Few topics sparked more debate, division and personal conviction than this one.

0:40.3

Has the Church become too obsessed with sexual ethics?

0:43.3

His traditional teaching on sex and marriage still fit for purpose.

0:47.3

And what does true inclusion look like? Does it mean affirmation?

0:51.3

Or is there another way?

0:53.3

This conversation won't be easy, but it's one the church and Christians can't ignore.

0:59.3

So stay with us.

1:01.8

Hello and welcome to Premier Unbelievable, the show that brings honest, respectful conversations

1:07.7

to the most pressing issues facing the church today.

1:12.0

I'm Andy Kind, returning host, and in today's episode, we're diving into a topic that has stirred hearts,

1:17.1

minds, and sometimes tempers within Christian community. And that is how we talk about sex,

1:23.9

sexuality, and discipleship in the church. Now, small caveat, this is not a debate about gender identity or trans ideology. Today we're focusing specifically on sex and sexuality. Conversations around homosexuality, what scripture says about same-sex relationships, how we pastor those navigating questions of sexual identity

1:45.4

are different from those concerning gender transition and identity. Well, joining me today

1:51.9

are two remarkable thinkers and pastors who have both written deeply on this issue, though

1:57.2

from very different angles. Reverend Dr. Christopher Landau is a former BBC journalist

2:02.9

and now a theologian and Anglican priest. His Grove booklet, Compassionate Orthodoxy and sexuality,

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