Here's the thing. You can build a successful business. You can grow revenue. You can even

hit all your goals and still feel unhappy. I've seen leaders live like this. I've coached many

through it. And if I'm honest, I've felt this in seasons of my life

as well. If you're not careful, success can start costing you more than it gives you. So today,

I'm sitting down with Ontario Leadership's head coach, John Falcons, and Harvard professor

and happiness expert, Dr. Arthur Brooks. We're talking about burnout, loneliness,

and what it means to build not just a successful business, but a meaningful life. Let's get to it.

Y'all, I am so excited to be here today with Arthur Brooks and Dave Ramsey. We're going to have

a fantastic conversation. We're going to dive right in if that's okay. I love it. So we have a coaching program and we're hearing from people

all the time that maybe they're being successful on the outside. You know, business is going well.

But on the inside, it's a different story. And so since we got you here today, just wanted to ask,

what's your take on that? Why do you think that is? Yeah. The modern world actually doesn't teach us how to be happier. It teaches us how to be more efficient, how to be more successful outwardly, just as you say. But the truth of the matter is you've got to do the work on the inside too. You have to work on all the different parts of your life. So the success is not just in your bank account. Successes in your marriage, success is in your soul, success is in your community. And that's a lot of what I work on is success that wraps around your whole life and not just in the ones and zeros inside that electronic bank account. Yeah, I think I've heard you talk about those things as the macro-nutrients of happiness. That's exactly right. And those are the enjoyment, satisfaction, and meaning in life. Meaning is what I've been writing about the most because that's actually what's most missing from people's lives today. And so they can work and work and work and work and they can be very successful or not, by the way. They can just spend all their time on the internet actually looking for something that will distract them. The truth of the matter is that the lack of meaning in life is one of the biggest epidemics, psychogenic epidemics, which just means, you know, mental epidemics that we're facing today. How do you think that might be unique with, with our viewers today who are all business owners and business leaders? So a lot of the problem that I see with business owners, business leaders.

Now to begin with, congratulations.

Everybody is watching this.

I mean, you're watching all the products that come out of Ramsey World because this stuff

is great for you.

This is like learning how to live your life in an integrated way where body and soul, I really

do believe that. The trouble is that a lot of really successful people they've gotten into a pattern of success addiction and again i mean that's uh that's probably not as bad as pornography addiction or alcohol addiction or you know there's a lot of other things that could be worse but no joke a lot of people they they don't feel fully alive unless they're actually winning with respect to markets and with respect to their businesses. And it's having a big toll on their relationships. It's a big toll on their faith, a big toll and actually how they see themselves as an integrated person. I have to work with people along those lines. I think we could probably talk about that all day. And I know you're coming to Summit and you're going to speak at Summit, right? Exactly right. Can't wait. That'll be awesome. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Dave, as you hear all of that, how have you navigated that through your years of building this company very successfully? You know, all the old, in the old days, everybody talked about don't climb the ladder and then realize it's leaning on the wrong building.

You know, and sometimes when people start a business, they started to make money or they

start to succeed.

And those are making money is a scorecard.

And then they climb that ladder and it's empty because they started for the wrong

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